Monday, 5 January 2009

2004 September - Fiction and Non-fiction by Sherrie, Spring wedding for Michelle

 
 
From: Sherrie  (Original Message) Sent: 18/09/2004 10:15 a.m.
Hi, family,
 
      Just read the latest updates on family activities, and printed them off. Following Kingi on his skydiving journey would be a wonderful way to learn some geography! Rona, when you and Margret have digested the Starr report, maybe you could give an outsider's perspective to our crazy politics and make some sense of it all. Good luck, the challenge will be daunting! In our age of tabloid sensationalism, objectivity and facts have taken a back seat to emotionalism and arm-waving. Like the emporer in his new 'clothes,' much is spoken with very little being said. Even one of our presidential candidates is running a campaign based almost totally on 'charisma.' No plan have I heard of how to deal with any real issue or problem. His platform seems to hinge largely on the mere fact that he isn't the imcumbant!
     I have just finished the insightful book 'Sons and Lovers' by D.H Lawrence. Maybe you've read it, about a poor family in England through the late 1800s/early 1900s and the struggle of the family to cope with life when father is a poor coal miner with tendencies to drunkenness, and to climb out of their poverty to better situations. The relationships are painted exquisitely, especially with regard to the interaction of personality types upon each other.
     Paul is an artist (Kiersey would peg him an Artisan in personality type) and lives in the moment, a childhood friend Miriem is highly spiritual in her views (Kiersey's Idealist) and imparts religious significance into everything she sees. The struggle of their courtship boils down to her stifling his soul with unwanted shackles of higher meaning, when he just wants to relax in the moment and roll with the flow. Paul's mother can't stand Miriam, feeling she is after her son's very soul, his joyful and careless outlook on life, for she sees him become somber whenever the girl causes him to reflect inwardly. Miriam is so intensely devoted to Paul in her belief of their 'sacred' relationship that he pulls away in self-preservation, hurting her even while she 'rises above' it all waiting for his 'better self' to emerge victorious.
     It was a fascinating tale to me, because I had read several books about the different personality types by Stephen Montgomery, based on David Kiersey's studies. He depicts the four basic temperaments as The Guardian, The Artisan, The Idealist and The Rational. Guardians and Artisans make up perhaps 90 percent of the population, and they are the concrete thinkers, whereas Idealists and Rationals make up the other ten percent or so and are primarily abstract thinkers. An idealist would be a dreamer whereas a rational would be more logical. A guardian would be a responsible salt-of-the-earth type and an artisan would be happy-go-lucky. We all have traces of the four types, yet one will usually dominate. When Rog and I took the test to see which types we were, I was solidly an Idealist, and he was very much a Guardian (although one who dreams a lot!) In Montgomery's books 'The Pygmalion Project -love and coercion among the types' he uses fiction to depict examples of different pairings of personalities in marriage. For example, in E.M. Forster's Howard's End, Mr Wilcox is a Guardian type married to Miss Schlagel's Idealist. By coincidence, that has been my favorite movie throughout the last ten years or so, and it happens to somewhat reflect the relationship dynamics in my own marriage.
     But Lawrence's depiction of the Idealist was exquisitely painful to me for it's brutal accuracy. Since his story is autobiographical, he is able to really disassemble the idealist notions and fancies in the stark light of objective reality (through an Artisan's eyes.) The long-suffering Miriam refuses to alter her illusions by such unworthy trifles as facts as others see them. For she knows best, after all. While the stuff of life revolves around her she holds herself above and apart from it, so that the intimacy she craves eludes her. She wants only to find it in the safe sanctuary of her higher ideals. The effect is that she ends up isolated.
     I find this stuff really fascinating, but can't expect the other 97 percent of the personality types to agree! Anyway, on to the next book. I'm nearly finished with some cheap and tawdry romance novels just for balance. And beginning next week I'll trade them all in for Algebra & Trig. Thanks for indulging my bit of psychobabble. Rog can write next about race cars, and get things back to normal.
 
Lots of love, Sherrie

4 comments:

Mrs Margret said...

From: Margret Sent: 20/09/2004 3:01 p.m.
STARR Reporter from the Island Herald
I remember, all those years ago, catching a 14yearold at school trying to download the Starr Report when it was going to occupy some 254 pages!!! I bought the book! I'm still an M&B reader and just love buying 4 for a $NZ1 down at the Maori bookshop in Waitara. Mum can listen to her tv V E R Y loud and I don't have to be in the room and I read my books and judge when something's exciting to watch on tv. I read Sons and Lovers about 24 years, and as the way I read goes, I then chase the author's other books.
An excellent start to the new discussion messages, Sherrie and your views require deep thought.
Margret

Mrs Margret said...

From: rona Sent: 21/09/2004 4:23 p.m.
Hi All,

Margret, I agree with you that Sherrie's discussion did require some deep thought! I love reading your letters Sherrie, not only for the news but, 'you gotta way with words, Girl' - Whoa!!! Apart from doing an anaylisis on books at school, I don't think I could go that 'deep' into a book now. Who knows though, you may have started something there Sherrie. I haven't delved into the Starr Report yet. I went to our local library to see if they had a copy, but it came up blank. I probably had the details wrong. Margret can you please give me the correct details (proper name of book, etc).

I thought I was the only one who did things like, read one book and then chase the authors other books. It is so good to read that there are others out there in the world that think like me! AND to read a real in depth serious book and then go onto some nice little romance, just for a little light reading. I'm not alone!!!!

How do I get in touch with Michelle? Would love to send her a card or something to wish her well for the upcoming nuptuals. I haven't been in touch with her, well since the reunion, and thought it would be a good way to break the ice and get back in touch. Any help would be much appreciated.

Lotsalove
Rona

Mrs Margret said...

From: Margret Sent: 21/09/2004 6:23 p.m.
Hello Rona,
Just to deviate from the message topic Fiction and Non-Fiction: how about contacting Jackie, or via Internet, Mari and Jack as they would have details of the marriage of Michelle. By separate email, I will send you the phone number as per a list that Jack sent to us over a year ago.
Talking about the topic, Sherrie's 'deep thoughts' were overwhelming as I realised that I had to get to grips with what type of character I am. A pragmatist, to say the least, but with an obsessive personality. Mind you, when I read the Starr Report online when it first hit the Internet, probably the same time as that kid at school, it was realy goofy. I bought the book with a boring front cover at a discount sale and could read it and think that cigar smoking had reached new depths.
Last year I got hooked on Tami Hoag's books; the trouble with me is that any book topic I like becomes my fixation. When, upon reading lots of books by James Mitchener, I felt so mad and sad about the plight of the subject/s of the books and what had been done to them, and followed up with learning more about cultures I little knew.
I have over 150 Mills & Boon books and buy them from the Maori bookstore in Waitara, the same shop where Dad's drawings of aspects of Maori history of Waitara and its environs were on display. I sometimes treat myself, about once a month, to a brand new one!
Off the topic, did Eugene go to New Plymouth for the current nationals in inline hockey?
I'll go and send you the email now.
Bye, Margret

Mrs Margret said...

From: Sherrie Sent: 22/09/2004 7:29 a.m.
Congratulations and all the best to Michelle and Jonathan! Your October wedding will be heralding Spring, whereas over here the leaves will be falling with frost on the pumpkins, as they say. I'm so excited that Vickie, Trish and Jackie will all be there, what a party! Wish we could be there to help celebrate. Margret, what an adventure Kingi is having in Croatia, are they coming into winter weather already? I would be more concerned over the wind than the earthquake. The picture with the New Zealand flag is awesome. How much longer will the team be travelling? Thank you for the map detailing Malcolm's stomping grounds around Taupo, since Roger is right about some of us being geographically challenged! What a great destination for Val and the kids to visit their Dad, and I'm sure there will be regular visits with hot water calling. There is a hot springs up by Lake Arrowhead called 'Deep Creek' which Rog and I have heard about, and we are looking forward to a relaxing soak.
Margret and Rona, you ladies are both great sports to take on that last topic, as I was afraid my ramblings would be too confusing. To delve just a little deeper, Stephen Montgomery named his books 'The Pygmalion Project' after Pymalion of Greek lore, who tried to carve a statue of the perfect woman. Montgomery maintains that we often try to chisel away at the differences in our relationships, often to render our partner more like ourselves. He uses the 'Mirror of Fiction' to demonstrate how these projects play out in literary characters. The moral of the story is that we are better off embracing differences and enjoying each other's uniqeness, than try to mold each other. Montgomery's books are based on the temperament types as shown in David Kiersey's book "Please Understand Me," and Kiersey goes into further detail with each of the four types. For instance, Roger is a Guardian type, but he is also extroverted (Monitor rather than Conservator, and Supervisor rather than Inspector.) His style is more 'role-directive' than 'role-informing.' He will tell you what to do, and direct you to do it. As a supervisor/monitoring Guardian, he is well suited for his management-type job. I would guess that you Margret are also a Guardian, but a Conservator rather than a Monitor. Conservators are Protectors (introverts) or Providers (extroverts), and I see you as both.
Back to my type, the Idealist, introverts are Mentors, and extroverts are Advocates. Advocates can be Healers or Champions (of causes). My type is an advocate/champion Idealist. When I had our daughters take the personality test, I was amazed to find that they are Idealists as well (especially Jamie and Mary, whereas Sarah was split between Idealist and Guardian.) This surprised me since they don't hold strongly to Christian beliefs, but do find strong spirituality and symbolism in nature. Most surprising was that Mary was an introverted 'monastic' advocate/healer. I am suspicious that Rangi is a 'Rational,' also an abstract thinker, who would make a good engineer.
That's enough of Kiersey and his book! If you can find Montgomery's books, they are more entertaining. Margret, I agree with your assessment of Mitchener, as I found his work fascinating but in the end disappointingly sad. Where have I been to not have even heard of Mills & Boon books? What are they about? Enough with the 'deep thoughts' from this end, I'm more interested in Deep Creek at the moment!
Take care lovely ladies.

Love, Sherrie